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#1 JimBob

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 02:40 AM

I had a empid crash into my window a few days ago. I don't have any empids on my list yet. Should I count it? I don't think that's fair. It crashed into my window, and I probably wouldn't have seen it other-wise. I will post photos for an id though, still would like to know what it was. If you think it is okay to count it, I may.

I think that I'll stick with my gut though.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 03:29 AM

I wouldn't count it but it's up to you. Your list and all that.

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#3 creeker

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 03:44 AM

If it survived, I would count it.
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#4 fisherman1313

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 05:01 AM

If it survived, I would count it.

I would too but I was assuming it did not survive.

The sludge caught in the mind's filter, the stuff that refuses to go through, frequently becomes each person's private obsession. In civilized society we have an unspoken agreement to call our obsessions "hobbies". - Stephen King

 

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My Year List

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Latest Lifer(s):

Sooty Grouse, Great Gray Owl: Yosemite National Park, Mariposa County, CA, 8/18/14

Calliope Hummingbird, Evening Grosbeak: Niagara Creek Campgrounds, Tuolumne County, CA 8/4/14

Northern Goshawk: Eagle Meadow, Tuolumne County, CA, 8/4

Pine Grosbeak: Plasse's Resort, Amador County, CA, 7/27/14

Northern Pygmy Owl (FINALLY!): Del Puerto Canyon, Stanislaus County, CA, 3/24/14

 

Favorite Recent Birds (non-lifers):

Short-billed Dowitcher: Ceres Wastewater Treatment Facility, Cere, CA, 8/20/14

Yellow-bellied Sapsucker: Yosemite National Park, Mariposa County, CA, 8/18/14

Peregrine Falcon, Black Tern, Bank Swallow: Modesto Wastewater treatment Facility, Modesto, CA, 8/10/14

Mountain Quail: Hwy 108 at Cow Creek, Tulomne County, CA, 8/4/14

Prairie Falcon, Pileated Woodpecker (5), Pygmy Nuthatch: Plasse's Resort, Amador County, CA, 7/27/14

Western Screech-Owl: Enslen Park, Modesto, CA, 4/16/14, 7/2/14, 7/6/14


#5 Benjamin DeHaven

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 05:29 AM

I will third a "yes" depending on how long it survived. I've counted birds that came to my bird feeder and I would count a hawk eating a bird at my bird feeder.

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#6 creeker

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 05:40 AM

I will third a "yes" depending on how long it survived. I've counted birds that came to my bird feeder and I would count a hawk eating a bird at my bird feeder.

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But would you count the bird he was eating? ;)
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#7 ginspin16

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:08 AM

if you saw it while it was still alive, i would count it. it came to your yard.

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#8 horseface

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 04:03 PM

Don't see why you wouldn't. A pretty big part of seeing birds comes down to just plain luck. There's a ton of "if I/it hadn't _____ I never would have seen it" situations I can remember.

#9 JimBob

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 06:01 PM

It was alive, and I think it made it. When I saw it when it was alive, so are you saying i could count it?

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#10 fisherman1313

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 06:24 PM

I would count it if I saw it alive. I read the following somewhere once (don't remember where), it was a way of explaining the ABA rule that live birds are countable and dead birds are not. I may not get it exactly the way it was written but you'll get the idea. You're travelling by car, at night, down a country road. You see an owl flash through the headlight beams but you can't ID it. It hits the front of the car so you stop to check on the bird. If the bird is alive when you see it and dies as you approach, it's countable. If the bird is already dead when you get out of the car, it's not. I know it's a grisly way to explain it but it may help with your situation.

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My Year List

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Latest Lifer(s):

Sooty Grouse, Great Gray Owl: Yosemite National Park, Mariposa County, CA, 8/18/14

Calliope Hummingbird, Evening Grosbeak: Niagara Creek Campgrounds, Tuolumne County, CA 8/4/14

Northern Goshawk: Eagle Meadow, Tuolumne County, CA, 8/4

Pine Grosbeak: Plasse's Resort, Amador County, CA, 7/27/14

Northern Pygmy Owl (FINALLY!): Del Puerto Canyon, Stanislaus County, CA, 3/24/14

 

Favorite Recent Birds (non-lifers):

Short-billed Dowitcher: Ceres Wastewater Treatment Facility, Cere, CA, 8/20/14

Yellow-bellied Sapsucker: Yosemite National Park, Mariposa County, CA, 8/18/14

Peregrine Falcon, Black Tern, Bank Swallow: Modesto Wastewater treatment Facility, Modesto, CA, 8/10/14

Mountain Quail: Hwy 108 at Cow Creek, Tulomne County, CA, 8/4/14

Prairie Falcon, Pileated Woodpecker (5), Pygmy Nuthatch: Plasse's Resort, Amador County, CA, 7/27/14

Western Screech-Owl: Enslen Park, Modesto, CA, 4/16/14, 7/2/14, 7/6/14


#11 JimBob

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:28 PM

I might count it then. If I don't find another by the time I go to California I will.

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#12 blackburnian

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:15 AM

i'd definitely count it

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#13 JimBob

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:41 AM

I still am very surprised at the results of this thread. I though everybody (especially Fisherman), would say that they wouldn't count it.

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#14 fisherman1313

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:03 AM

If it was alive and I could ID it, I'd count it.

The sludge caught in the mind's filter, the stuff that refuses to go through, frequently becomes each person's private obsession. In civilized society we have an unspoken agreement to call our obsessions "hobbies". - Stephen King

 

All Yellow Warblers are yellow warblers, but not all yellow warblers are Yellow Warblers. - Me

 

My Year List

Spoiler

 

Latest Lifer(s):

Sooty Grouse, Great Gray Owl: Yosemite National Park, Mariposa County, CA, 8/18/14

Calliope Hummingbird, Evening Grosbeak: Niagara Creek Campgrounds, Tuolumne County, CA 8/4/14

Northern Goshawk: Eagle Meadow, Tuolumne County, CA, 8/4

Pine Grosbeak: Plasse's Resort, Amador County, CA, 7/27/14

Northern Pygmy Owl (FINALLY!): Del Puerto Canyon, Stanislaus County, CA, 3/24/14

 

Favorite Recent Birds (non-lifers):

Short-billed Dowitcher: Ceres Wastewater Treatment Facility, Cere, CA, 8/20/14

Yellow-bellied Sapsucker: Yosemite National Park, Mariposa County, CA, 8/18/14

Peregrine Falcon, Black Tern, Bank Swallow: Modesto Wastewater treatment Facility, Modesto, CA, 8/10/14

Mountain Quail: Hwy 108 at Cow Creek, Tulomne County, CA, 8/4/14

Prairie Falcon, Pileated Woodpecker (5), Pygmy Nuthatch: Plasse's Resort, Amador County, CA, 7/27/14

Western Screech-Owl: Enslen Park, Modesto, CA, 4/16/14, 7/2/14, 7/6/14


#15 Forestina

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 07:17 PM

I say yes count it since it was alive when you saw it... and then get some stickers for that window! Assuming you don't have any already :)
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#16 JimBob

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 02:39 AM

Lol, amazingly it's only the third bird to hit our patio room that we know of. Will find something to put on. . .

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#17 Aveschapines

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:37 AM

I also would count it since you saw it alive; I don't count birds that I find dead.

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