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#1 HAPPYL!FE

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:33 PM

Swainson's Hawk ?


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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:50 PM

Swainson's Hawk... wierd I thought I posted in here, but I guess I was in the gallery.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:51 PM

I like this for Swainson's Hawk as well -- a bit late, though, if you just took it.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:56 PM

Agree with Swainson's Hawk! If this was recently, it is quite late indeed, looks like eBird doesn't have a single record in November in Oklahoma.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:58 PM

The hawkwatch at Corpus Christi normally gets a few dozen in the first half of November.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:09 PM

Yes, just took it today. Guess he was 'refueling'. Thanks

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:11 PM

Yes, just took it today. Guess he was 'refueling'. Thanks

Nice! Definitely report it, on eBird you'll probably have to give them proof.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:12 PM

agree with Swainson's

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:11 PM

I don't know how to report it. And how would I prove it? :wacko:

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:13 PM

I don't know how to report it. And how would I prove it? :wacko:

just by showing them your photo :) here's a link to ebird, http://ebird.org/content/ebird

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:15 PM

Yup. If you use eBird, you'll have to check "show rarities," find Swainson's Hawk, and then under that you can add comments. You can embed or link the picture there, or even post a link to this thread.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:03 PM

Well, after sending in the photo and linking this conversation, the people at ebird tell me it's a Red-tailed Hawk.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:09 PM

Well, after sending in the photo and linking this conversation, the people at ebird tell me it's a Red-tailed Hawk.

Not saying I disagree, but I'd be interested in hearing the basis for their argument

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:31 PM

I have their email. I tried to copy and paste to here, but didn't work. Maybe you can tell me a better way??

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:36 PM

Not saying I disagree, but I'd be interested in hearing the basis for their argument


Ditto. I know Red-tails are super variable, and I'm certainly no expert in the 'western' varieties, but I think this looks more Swainson's as well.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:37 PM

I have their email. I tried to copy and paste to here, but didn't work. Maybe you can tell me a better way??


You should be able to copy and paste it into a post here no problem. Use the clipboard icons at the top of the reply box.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:01 AM

Thanks, got it:
Howdy,
The bird in your photo is a Red-tailed Hawk. Some Red-tailed Hawks, particularly of a race that nests in Oklahoma, can have brown coming off side of face and neck onto the neck area in front, even upper breast--but it does not meet in the middle, even if close. Your bird shows the gap.
Also, Swainson's Hawk are longer winged and longer tailed than Red-taileds, so have an almost-falcon shape, with wing-tips going past tail--looking more pointy-winged even when perched. Your bird is pretty short-tailed, and wing-tips match up with tail.
In addition, Swainson's have barring on the tail (can be seen on underside). You bird is unmarked on the underside of the tail--whitish here, making this an adult Red-tail, probably of the resident paler race that occurs here.

Thanks for the response. We have received reports of Swainson's before past mid October, and this is a common error. At the same time we have had at least 2 winter records, so possible, but quite exceptional. Swainson's Hawks normally winter in Argentina, with a few in the Florida Keys (for some reason).

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:22 AM

Oh, so this was a "Swainson's look-alike" Red-tailed morph that only nests in Oklahoma and has brown on the neck and thin barring on the flanks just like a Swainson's.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:59 AM

This is one case where I'm pretty sure the e-bird people are wrong. I think I'll send a friend of mine a link to the photo, if that's allright, and see what else we can develop.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:34 AM

I bounced this off Vic Berardi, he agrees it looks like a Swainson's. Don't suppose you got anymore shots? Something with the wings spread, perhaps?




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