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Field ID based on migration

Last post 10-26-2009, 8:56 PM by Matt. 8 replies.
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  •  10-25-2009, 9:32 AM 121872

    Field ID based on migration

    I am big on yard birds.  We have both Gilded and Northern Flickers in Arizona.  Yesterday I caught a pair of flickers in my yard. Gilded do not migrate but Northerns do.  Because these two birds were in my yard can I infer that the pair was Northern?  I appreciated the fact that their underwing coloration is different but I cannot distinguish in the field and I was not able to get a flight shot.

    thanks


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  •  10-25-2009, 11:16 AM 121885 in reply to 121872

    Re: Field ID based on migration

    Matt... I do not understand your logic/question on the Flickers... If Gilded don't migrate... then it might be Gilded. But If Northerns do migrate... Then it might be Northern... When is the migration??? Can one be eliminated by the time of migration???

    Maybe this is your point but the wording is confusing.

    F
  •  10-25-2009, 11:27 AM 121887 in reply to 121885

    Re: Field ID based on migration

    Well maybe I am stretching the logic here simply to count another yard bird.  I was thinking that Gilded are raised and then stake out a territory within some distance of their birthplace.  Northerns move from place A to place B.  Per an internet source we are in the migration season for Northerns. 

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  •  10-26-2009, 6:14 AM 122006 in reply to 121887

    Re: Field ID based on migration

    I am afraid that I don't fully follow your intent either. 

    Number one, if you can't clearly identify a bird, then what difference does it make in counting it.   It is just a cold number, lacking the enjoyment of having worked through all the identification keys separating any two birds.  Two, learn from what you didn't or weren't able to observe and do better next time.  Even if you have to do it by photographing the bird.

    I particularly have trouble with sparrows and will not claim one until I've eliminated all the near-lookalikes.  I'm more into recording the number of a species present, than in the number of species observed.


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  •  10-26-2009, 6:26 PM 122076 in reply to 122006

    Re: Field ID based on migration

    Jim, your points are interesting and actually answer the question I was posing.  Let's assume some arctic bird looked like one of my backyard birds.  You could rule it out simply by saying the bird was out of range.  In that case you can infer a species.  That can also be done with bird calls.  Dowitchers are an example of a species that looks very similar but sounds very different.  If you hear the call it can be placed with the picture. 

    So your first point, "if you can't clearly identify a bird, then what difference does it make in counting it", I agree with.  But there are multiple ways of IDing a bird other than looks.  In this case migration was the question.  I assume from the lack of responses that my supposition was totally hosed.

    There is no "do better next time" for me in the field.  I am colorblind and rely, in this case, totally on my photographs.  With my wife's, I determine color or use the ID forum for help.  My  help when color is a determining factor.

    When I first reviewed my photos I didn't see any identifying color at all (under tail).  I had two people confirm my ID however.  I showed them the bird and simply asked what do you see.  When I was told the correct color, without leading the witness, I got my bird.  Just to make sure, I also measured it.  It is sitting next to a chain-link fence, easily measured and compared to the length of the bird.  It is well over 12".  

    This is the third time this week that I have seen an odd pair.  The first was the flickers, then a pair of red-tails, and this morning a pair of Harriers.  I could not find any info on whether flickers travel in mating pairs, but both hawks are labeled as solitary.

    Thanks for the help.     

     


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  •  10-26-2009, 6:35 PM 122077 in reply to 121872

    Re: Field ID based on migration

    I think the only way you could use migration as an ID tool such as you are suggesting is if ALL the birds that appear similar are migratory -- if both of the flickers were migratory, but only one had a migration route through your area, then you could bet that it was what you saw.  However, if one is and one isn't, and it's the right time of year for the migration, then how would you know if it was just a yard bird new to your yard or a migratory bird stopping by for lunch?

    Re: color in photos and colorblindness -- there are programs out there that tell you the hexadecimal representation of the color in a certain pixel in a photo.  If you had a chart of what color each hex number represented, you could move a little paint dropper around your photos and it would tell you what colors appeared.  Does that make sense?  That might be more work than you're willing to put in... 

  •  10-26-2009, 7:26 PM 122102 in reply to 122077

    Re: Field ID based on migration

    The software solution sounds very interesting.  Thanks.

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  •  10-26-2009, 7:58 PM 122145 in reply to 122076

    Re: Field ID based on migration

    Smile Ah, in your case, then I do see the point in applying any and all methods to help you identify a bird.  sounds like you have a good way that both you and your wife can enjoy the same past-time.

    I made my comments from a point of view, that for me, if I can't first visually ID a NEW bird, then I don't count it.  Because for me, it is the enjoyment of seeing a bird more than racking up a number.  Although I do use the ID'ing of a song, a silhouette, or a flight pattern of a bird, to alert me to the presence on a bird, I just don't count it until I can clearly view it in all its glory.  It is only when I am counting numbers of a species present that I am less strict, but it is only for birds well known to me.

    p.s  By the way, many times my monitor appears color-blind.  So, in a way, I can understand your challenges.  Good luck and enjoy.

     

     


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  •  10-26-2009, 8:56 PM 122178 in reply to 122145

    Re: Field ID based on migration

    My rule for an ID is a minimum of two confirmations on a picture (unanimous), any dissensions forces me into another picture outing.  I am a bit forced to do that because of my lack of color awareness.  This little sojourn into alternatives to identification was just an experiment.  The only bird that I had to convince people on was a sharp-shinned which I was able to show was only 10" long based on the pole diameter it was resting on.  Had I not had confirmation I would not have accepted the bird.  Thanks for the feedback.

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