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Last post 05-18-2009, 7:00 PM by lyceel. 8 replies.
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  •  04-24-2009, 5:29 AM 89813

    Shutter speed question (newbie)

    Hello,

    I'm just starting out with photography, with a Lumix fz28.  Question about shutter speed.  Since I'm no good at keeping my hands still (yet) I'm toying around to determine the highest shutter speed I can get away with in various lighting conditions.  So far 1/60 seems to be the limit without flash -- the photos are too dark otherwise.

    But then I come here and see photos of hummingbirds at 1/2000 or more, and they're not dark at all.  Are you folks using flash when taking these kinds of pictures?  Or is there another technique?

    Thanks!

     

  •  04-24-2009, 6:30 AM 89818 in reply to 89813

    Re: Shutter speed question (newbie)

    When I shoot pictures of hummingbirds, its usually in bright sunlight and a wide open aperture. I don't use flash. I am using a 300mm f2.8 lens with a 1.4 converter. That lens allows a huge amount of light into the camera allowing me to shoot at 1/2000 or even faster.
    Southwestern New Mexico
  •  04-24-2009, 7:40 AM 89833 in reply to 89813

    Re: Shutter speed question (newbie)

    plethora:

    Hello,

    I'm just starting out with photography, with a Lumix fz28.  Question about shutter speed.  Since I'm no good at keeping my hands still (yet) I'm toying around to determine the highest shutter speed I can get away with in various lighting conditions.  So far 1/60 seems to be the limit without flash -- the photos are too dark otherwise.

    But then I come here and see photos of hummingbirds at 1/2000 or more, and they're not dark at all.  Are you folks using flash when taking these kinds of pictures?  Or is there another technique?

    Thanks!

     

    Hi plethora

    I don't have or use the same camera as you but I have a very good friend who lives in Canada who does and we have been sharing images now for a wee while now although this image isn't a bird shot it is still an image from her camera which is the same as yours she shot this at 1/400 an fstop of 6.3 and an iso rating of 100. Just incase you are unaware of what iso is (It is the old measurement of the film speed rating it is in digital cameras how sensitive to light your sensor is the higher the ISO the more sensitive to light this will increase shutter speeds but there is a trade off it also increases digital noise as well.

     



    In loving memory of Nancy my darling wife of 10 years who passed away on Monday November the 16th 2009 after an illness

    My photo gallery http://thekiwi.org/photography/index.php
  •  04-24-2009, 9:25 AM 89862 in reply to 89813

    Re: Shutter speed question (newbie)

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    I took the picture below of a large Rainbow Trout jumping a dam a couple of years ago.

    The shutter speed was 1/2000, the aperture was set at f3.5 and the ISO was 64 (auto). The focal length was 51mm which enabled capturing more of the surrondings.

    As mentioned above, you need really good light for this sort of shutter speed. This one was taken on a blazing sun spring morning.

     



    Last two photo-lifers: Tundra Swan and Varied Thrush.
  •  04-24-2009, 9:26 AM 89864 in reply to 89813

    Re: Shutter speed question (newbie)

    While I have a different camera, Canon SX10, I noticed the same thing. Someone told me for flying birds, that I should use a minimum shutter speed of 1/500 so I started tinkering with manual and noticed that when I did that, it made everything too dark. So I'm taking baby steps towards using these manual adjustments. IDK about your camera, but I have different options on my dial. "Tv" allows me to adjust the shutter speed, but keeps it from going dark by auto adjusting the aperture. And "Av" lets me change the aperture, but auto adjusts the shutter speed. I know the FZ28 was the SX10's biggest rival so maybe yours has something similar to work with... I know the pros are also talking about ISO, but I'm just mentioning my baby steps with shutter speed.

    "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." ~ Samuel Johnson
  •  04-25-2009, 7:44 AM 90130 in reply to 89833

    Re: Shutter speed question (newbie)

    Thanks everyone.  I took some test shots today in bright sunlight and I can indeed get up to 1/500 or so. 

    On a related note -- is there ever a situation when taking a picture outdoors that you folks use the flash?

  •  04-25-2009, 8:04 AM 90141 in reply to 90130

    Re: Shutter speed question (newbie)

    plethora:

    Thanks everyone.  I took some test shots today in bright sunlight and I can indeed get up to 1/500 or so. 

    On a related note -- is there ever a situation when taking a picture outdoors that you folks use the flash?

    The answer is YES and quite often it is called fill flash used in extreme close up work it is used where lets say you have a bird sitting up in a tree and there are light areas and shaded areas using fill flash (your flash) that will even all that out. If you have a TTL flash then you can vary the intensity of the flash.

    Other uses are for humming birds and folks who take the really good humming bird photos where the wings are stopped use 4 or 5 flash units it is the flash that stops the wings not shutter speed in those cases


    In loving memory of Nancy my darling wife of 10 years who passed away on Monday November the 16th 2009 after an illness

    My photo gallery http://thekiwi.org/photography/index.php
  •  04-25-2009, 10:12 AM 90158 in reply to 90141

    Re: Shutter speed question (newbie)

    Thanks, very helpful!

  •  05-18-2009, 7:00 PM 95684 in reply to 90141

    Re: Shutter speed question (newbie)

    thekiwi:

    The answer is YES and quite often it is called fill flash used in extreme close up work it is used where lets say you have a bird sitting up in a tree and there are light areas and shaded areas using fill flash (your flash) that will even all that out. If you have a TTL flash then you can vary the intensity of the flash.

    A bit late to the party, I know, but...

    Flash is one of the tools that pro wildlife photographers use all the time, and the best ones get so good at it, that you don't even know that they're using it when you look at their photos.

    Flash adds light to your scene, but it's not only good for lighting up a dark room.  When the sun is high in the sky, you get really contrasty lighting (really bright highlights next to really dark shadows).  You can use flash to fill in the shadows and preserve some of the detail, rather than shooting with natural light and having those areas go pure black.  If you apply flash naively, you'll eliminate the shadows completely, which looks OK, but it's not very natural.  If you carefully control the flash and the exposure, you can leave the shadow areas there, but just add a bit of light to them to keep them from going all the way dark.

    One of the best uses for flash in bird photography is to bring out the colors.  Have you ever gotten a photo of a bird that you know has brilliant plumage, but it looks kind of drab in your shot?  Feathers are designed to catch sunlight and reflect it back.  When a bird is in full direct sunlight, you get the full effect in your photo.  However, birds are known to sit in trees where the sunlight is blocked, and as a result, their plumage is muted and shows up drab.  To fix this, you can apply just enough flash to bring out the plumage, without completely replacing the natural light.

    There's a great book about using flash, called The Hot Shoe Diaries by Joe McNally, if you really want to know how the pros do it.

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