Welcome to WhatBird Forums Sign in | Join | Help
in Search

Whatbird.com

Fish Crow or American Crow?

Last post 11-03-2009, 1:05 AM by greypaper. 7 replies.
Sort Posts: Previous Next
  •  11-01-2009, 9:55 PM 123375

    Fish Crow or American Crow?

    On the beach in Chatham, Massachusetts. Unfortunately I wasn't able to hear it call. Fish crow or American crow???

     Thanks! 


  •  11-01-2009, 9:59 PM 123376 in reply to 123375

    Re: Fish Crow or American Crow?

    Unfortunately, I don't know any good way to tell without hearing it's call. However, the eyes seem to be set a little forward on the head which suggests it is proportionally smaller, so I would temporarily say Fish Crow, and they're definitely more common on the coast.

    Total birds seen: 217
    Latest lifers:
    Wilson's Snipe, Barred Owl, Eastern Meadowlark
    Favorite lifers:
    Black-billed Cuckoo, Reddish Egret, Wood Stork
    Go Birds Go! Blog
  •  11-01-2009, 10:01 PM 123377 in reply to 123376

    Re: Fish Crow or American Crow?

    Yeah, there's no good way to tell them apart in the field without hearing the voice.  As Kryptos said, along the coast fish crows probably outnumber American crows, but this bird could certainly be either one.
  •  11-02-2009, 10:15 AM 123425 in reply to 123377

    Re: Fish Crow or American Crow?

    The legs look pretty small, which is a sign of a Fish Crow, but I can't tell with certainty what this one is.


    Bird Count (18 months): 222
    Best Sightings: Ivory Gull, Brown-Chested Martin, Snowy Owl, Townsend's Warbler, Marbled Godwit
    Most Recent New Sighting: Canvasback
  •  11-02-2009, 10:29 AM 123426 in reply to 123425

    Re: Fish Crow or American Crow?

    Alright, after careful observation I've decided to call this one an American Crow on the following observations (from a very helpful website):

    Primary feather p5 is about the same size as primary feather p6, but longer than p9, consistent with American Crows, while in Fish Crows the feather should be significantly shorter than p6 and the same size as p9. Additionally, there appears to be no sharp hook to the bill as in a Fish Crow. So (thanks to a very nice picture), I think this is an American Crow.


    Total birds seen: 217
    Latest lifers:
    Wilson's Snipe, Barred Owl, Eastern Meadowlark
    Favorite lifers:
    Black-billed Cuckoo, Reddish Egret, Wood Stork
    Go Birds Go! Blog
  •  11-02-2009, 2:55 PM 123468 in reply to 123426

    Re: Fish Crow or American Crow?

    > p5 is about the same size as primary feather p6, but longer than p9

    Could be I can't count, but isn't P9 molting on the bird in the photo?   If it is in molt, then interesting info from the Cornell site (I assume it's the same as where you got your info: http://www.birds.cornell.edu/crows/FishCrow.htm ) is that Am Crows molt earlier than Fish Crows, and at least in upstate New York, Fish Crows are the ones molting late into October.

    As for leg length, I have no idea how to begin gauging when the legs are tucked up in flight.

    Regarding ratio of Am Crow to Fish Crow along the coast, I don't know what it is, and I'm hesitant to say it's a given that Fish Crows will outnumber Am Crows on the coast that far north.

  •  11-02-2009, 5:40 PM 123479 in reply to 123426

    Re: Fish Crow or American Crow?

    I've been able to ID numerous fish crows by call alone, and I'd say the hooked bill occurs in roughly 50% of them, but the other 50% have relatively straight bills. I've read this occurs sporadically.
  •  11-03-2009, 1:05 AM 123550 in reply to 123479

    Re: Fish Crow or American Crow?

    Heh. I so do not look forward to the day I go to hunt down a fish crow for the collection. I'll be wading through files upon files of American Crows and hoping.

    141 birds photographed and IDed.
View as RSS news feed in XML