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Waterthrush
Last post 08-17-2008, 5:53 PM by snowyowl. 23 replies.
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08-14-2008, 8:26 PM |
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Oh I get it. Ya mate a Song Sparrow with a House Wren and ya get a Waterthrush...right? <grin>
Using the database I come up with Northern Waterthrush for this one. Am I right? Am I right? If I am it will make my day.
I'll post 3 pics of the same individual.

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08-14-2008, 8:28 PM |
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08-14-2008, 8:30 PM |
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08-14-2008, 8:36 PM |
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Jim Penny
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I agree. I believe that it is a Northern Water Thrust. Looks like it has the tinges of yellow on the breast and on the eyebrow. The crown looks to brown. I only saw one picture. If it had a center of orange in the crown and a white breast, then I would think Ovenbird.
http://whatbird.com/forums/photos/birdman/
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08-14-2008, 9:04 PM |
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08-14-2008, 9:13 PM |
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Sorry. Slipped my mind. Long Island NY last week.
Does everyone see 3 pics? I do. I captured 2 shots in the shawdow and one in the early morning sunlight to help distiguish colors.
I shot 2 minutes of video of this individual. If there is anything I should look for on the video just let me know and I will.
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08-14-2008, 9:36 PM |
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08-15-2008, 7:58 PM |
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08-15-2008, 8:21 PM |
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snowyowl
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Cornman:Looks like a Northern Waterthrush to me. The Lousiana Waterthrush doesn't have the streaks on it's throat, and the auricular or cheek pattern differs in the way that song and chipping sparrows differ. Nice catch!
Actually, neither species has streaks on the throat, and the cheek pattern is virtually indistinguishable. The best way to distinguish these two is the width and extent of the white supercilium (whiter, wider, and longer in Louisiana), the habitat, the song, the range, and the yellowish wash on the Northern's breast (which can sometimes be absent). Also the breast streaking is generally a bit more extensive on the Northern, but this can often be hard to tell in individuals in the field. There does seem to be a yellowish wash on this bird, but the lighting is bad. If you can make a definitive ID from these pictures hats off to you, you're a better birder than most.
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08-15-2008, 9:50 PM |
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Cornman
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Joined on 07-21-2008
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Maine
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snowyowl:
Cornman:Looks like a Northern Waterthrush to me. The Lousiana Waterthrush doesn't have the streaks on it's throat, and the auricular or cheek pattern differs in the way that song and chipping sparrows differ. Nice catch!
Actually, neither species has streaks on the throat, and the cheek pattern is virtually indistinguishable. The best way to distinguish these two is the width and extent of the white supercilium (whiter, wider, and longer in Louisiana), the habitat, the song, the range, and the yellowish wash on the Northern's breast (which can sometimes be absent). Also the breast streaking is generally a bit more extensive on the Northern, but this can often be hard to tell in individuals in the field. There does seem to be a yellowish wash on this bird, but the lighting is bad. If you can make a definitive ID from these pictures hats off to you, you're a better birder than most.
Yikes! I am certainly not a better birder than most, but I am a pretty good detective. As you say, subtle yellowish coloration is difficult to be sure of in these pictures, and we can't hear the song, so I started with the fact that Northern's are frequent fliers on Long Island (as they are up my way), and Lousiana's would be rather infrequent. I then compared images of the 2 species to find differences myself before turning to the books. I found that the 'Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Birds (Eastern Region)' had the best method of differentiation between the 2 species that we could use with these particular photographs. In the description of Louisiana Waterthrush it states "Similar to Northern Waterthrush but throat unstreaked and eyebrow white." In the description of Northern Waterthrush - "...yellowish-white line over eye and streaked throat." (their italics) This seems to hold up against various photos. As far as the auricular pattern, I admit that I came to that determination myself, shame on me, but check it out for yourself. Anyway, no, I don't believe everything I read, and yes, I know there are misidentified images on the internet, but please bear in mind that I am not trying to impress or mislead anyone, I am only trying to help.
P.S. Here is a useful link http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek020515.html
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08-16-2008, 4:53 AM |
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snowyowl>>Why not post a link to your video and let's have a look. <<
Sure. I'd love to. But where? The video is 76 megabytes. YouTube has serious memory upload restrictions. The only place that I know of where you can share such high digital quality video is Veoh.com which I am a member of. The problem with Veoh is that all users need to download and install special software - a process that, I would imagine, most people would not be intrested in.
This was shot in a muddy pond. The bird never vocalized. He was busy pulling food from the mud.
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08-16-2008, 6:32 AM |
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TheGrine
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Joined on 02-05-2008
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In my personal experience, Louisianas aren't as heavily streaked as the bird in this photo. I would bet on Northern Waterthrush.
In addition, if the habitat was a muddy pool, I wouldn't expect to see a Louisiana there. They prefer faster-moving water.
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