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Post Editing HINT if you post edit read this.

Last post 04-03-2009, 10:01 AM by birdseye. 8 replies.
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  •  07-03-2008, 10:42 AM 50148

    Post Editing HINT if you post edit read this.

    As you will be aware post editing software will allow you look at your image at various sizes    100%,66.67%,50%  etc etc you get the picture here you can make the image bigger or smaller on screen.

    These sizes here are very bad to use as the editor works in such away that it will makeup and take away pixels in order to resize  DO NOT USE THEM  FORGET THEY EVEN EXIST !!!!!!!
    They are as follows\

    66.67%

    33.33%

    and 16.67%..

    Repeat do not use those sreen image sizes when editing in your editor or the result you may get will not be what you want.

    Regards Peter


    In loving memory of Nancy my darling wife of 10 years who passed away on Monday November the 16th 2009 after an illness

    My photo gallery http://thekiwi.org/photography/index.php
  •  07-03-2008, 9:19 PM 50225 in reply to 50148

    Re: Post Editing HINT if you post edit read this.

    What exactly do you mean by "post editing software"?
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  •  07-03-2008, 10:40 PM 50241 in reply to 50225

    Re: Post Editing HINT if you post edit read this.

    software that you use such as Photoshop ,paintshop pro etc

    Software that you import your images from the camera to do post (after) capture editing to enhance sharpen convert to B&W that is what I mean by post editing.


    In loving memory of Nancy my darling wife of 10 years who passed away on Monday November the 16th 2009 after an illness

    My photo gallery http://thekiwi.org/photography/index.php
  •  07-04-2008, 8:56 AM 50296 in reply to 50148

    Re: Post Editing HINT if you post edit read this.

    thekiwi:

    As you will be aware post editing software will allow you look at your image at various sizes    100%,66.67%,50%  etc etc you get the picture here you can make the image bigger or smaller on screen.These sizes here are very bad to use as the editor works in such away that it will makeup and take away pixels in order to resize  DO NOT USE THEM  FORGET THEY EVEN EXIST !!!!!!!

    This makes no sense to me then. If the goal is to process camera images so they look good when uploaded to a gallery the percentage you reduce a raw camera image is dependent on the resolution of the source image and the final resolution you wish the image to have when its posted to the gallery. Thus the initial and final resolutions should set the reduction in size, not a percentage.


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  •  03-13-2009, 2:51 AM 81943 in reply to 50148

    Re: Post Editing HINT if you post edit read this.

    Hi Peter,

    I'm unsure what you're talking about as well.  I know what post-processing is and sometimes use it.  However, if I view an image in various sizes, like you wrote, to so some processing/editing, that has never changed the pixel size.  JPEG is a variable compression file, so if you're saving your files as jpeg, that may be your issue.  What photo editor are you using that does this to your images?  I've never run across this issue before so am curious.  Best, Emily

  •  03-14-2009, 10:58 PM 82185 in reply to 81943

    Re: Post Editing HINT if you post edit read this.

    Attachment: barchart.jpg
    riverotter:

    Hi Peter,

    I'm unsure what you're talking about as well.  I know what post-processing is and sometimes use it.  However, if I view an image in various sizes, like you wrote, to so some processing/editing, that has never changed the pixel size.  JPEG is a variable compression file, so if you're saving your files as jpeg, that may be your issue.  What photo editor are you using that does this to your images?  I've never run across this issue before so am curious.  Best, Emily

    Emily Try this here is a black and white bar chart that I have made up save it load it into photoshop or what ever you use you will see at 100% 50% 25% 12.5% the bars will all be even and spread as they should even at 200% 300% 400% but if you zoom them to 66.6% ,33.3% 16.5% the bars will be uneven so what I am sayiny is that if you try and edit your image at a zoom of 16.5% 33.3% or 66.6% you can very well end up with a distortion in your image check it out for your self using the bar chart I drew up.



    In loving memory of Nancy my darling wife of 10 years who passed away on Monday November the 16th 2009 after an illness

    My photo gallery http://thekiwi.org/photography/index.php
  •  03-15-2009, 9:53 AM 82249 in reply to 82185

    Re: Post Editing HINT if you post edit read this.

    Thanks Peter, I think I understand better what you are saying. If you are editing in percentages that are not real ratios of the original image, the image becomes distorted, yes?  Thanks for explaining further!  Best, Emily
  •  04-02-2009, 11:06 PM 85517 in reply to 82249

    Re: Post Editing HINT if you post edit read this.

    Attachment: bars_9_3.jpg

    This thread has bothered me ever since I started reading it last month, and tonight, I finally figured out why.  You can come up with a pathological example for any resizing ratio.  It just depends on the arrangement of pixels in the image.  Kiwi's example has evenly spaced bars, so naturally, they'll divide by two perfectly, and they won't divide evenly by three and they'll get smudged during the resize. 

    I created a different example below, using exactly the same dimensions as Kiwi's image.  This one has 9-pixel black bars separated by 3-pixel white bars.  If you're good at math, you'll realize that 9 and 3 are both divisible by 3, but they're not divisible by 2.  Try to resize this to half size, and you'll see the bars smudge, but resize to a third (33.3%, or 321x220), and it'll look fine.

    Here's the message:  neither of these examples means anything if you're resizing a picture of a bird! (or anything else, for that matter).  When you resize any real-life image, you lose information.  There's no way around it, no matter if you do a half, a third, two thirds or whatever.  The good news is that most image editors have a built-in error diffusion process that distributes the errors in a way that makes them far less noticeable.  On a real-life image, you'll see pretty much the same amount of relative error, regardless of your ratio.

    Feel free to resize your images as you see fit, and leave the math to the computer.  That's what it's good at.  Smile



  •  04-03-2009, 10:01 AM 85602 in reply to 85517

    Re: Post Editing HINT if you post edit read this.

    lyceel--- you did your homework! and i agree.. the only thing i would add is if you are working in photoshop, don't Resample every time you edit...
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