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Photos on the Species Pages

Last post 05-25-2006, 1:25 PM by jocateme. 8 replies.
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  •  03-31-2006, 3:19 PM 3139

    Photos on the Species Pages

    I was surprised today to see that the small bird photos have been removed from the species pages.  I miss them.  They have been very helpful to me, since birds look so different in various light conditions, at various times of year, and at various ages.  I hope this is not a permanent change.
    Julianne Bockius
  •  03-31-2006, 8:07 PM 3143 in reply to 3139

    Re: Photos on the Species Pages

    We discovered that those photos where taking up a great deal of our bandwidth. And we have to move the servers soon to a new cohosting facility. Not only that the results where hit and miss, since it involves using Google's search feature. Often the photos are plain wrong. And there is another issue. Try searching for Redhead Female or Woodpecker in Google and you will see what I mean. And that meant lots of checking and pruning and it was a lot of work. And the database has grown huge, with the photos contributing a great deal of that.

    All these factors made us decide that the issues outweighed any benefits. We are discussing serveral alternatives, such as creating a new database of photos that is bound to the species page but does not load at the same time, to using some of the great photos of our members (like yours which are outstanding) to creating a special whatbird photo gallery in the forum and setting it up so all the bird names are there and people can contribute to it. In all cases we would seek photos we like and approve of instead of leaving to chance.

    I'm sorry about this change and wish I had a better solution.

    BTW We also made another bird change in the way the species pages load. Before all the information in all the tabs loaded the first time you opened the page. Which meant a lot of data and a longer wait time. Now just the first tab loads, and when you click on another tab it loads. This makes the delay between tabs a littler longer but it has cut our bandwidth consumption by 50%. You might have noticed the URL for the bird pages has changed when you click on a tab, its now got the tab name in it.


    iBird Explorer: Finally a field guide as light as a feather. See it at http://www.ibird.com
  •  04-01-2006, 9:57 AM 3144 in reply to 3143

    Re: Photos on the Species Pages

    I understand and appreciate the technical issues, and I remember that many of the photos were wrong, but I still want to stress how useful the photos can be to someone trying to identify a bird.  It was this feature (in addition, of course, to your wonderful search engine) that made your site so much more effective than the typical field guides.

    Since the tab pages no longer load all at once, perhaps you could have a tab for photos.  That could somehow link to the forum gallery where the pictures are already stored.  If your search for photos could be restricted to the forum photos you would have a better chance of obtaining good and accurate results. 

    I like your idea of setting up a gallery in the forum with the bird names as albums.  And I think it's good that you would approve the photos that are stored there.


    Julianne Bockius
  •  04-07-2006, 9:59 PM 3203 in reply to 3144

    Re: Photos on the Species Pages

    I think we could contribute, uploading our photos directly in the bird page. Naturally most of the pages would not have photos, but those who have would be reliable. This idea is similar to Mitch's. 

    Example: The user enters the American Robin page and sees there is no photo. Then, he uploads one of his photos, which he is sure that is an American Robin.

    About the other pages, I am sorry, but I don't know what to do.


    Joao Menezes
  •  05-22-2006, 6:51 PM 3860 in reply to 3203

    Re: Photos on the Species Pages

    Just as an update --- Rick and I are discussing adding the ability to Whatbird to function like a wiki, e.g. like wikipedia in that you would be able to modify, correct and upload text and photos.

    We are still ironing out the issues, the main one being how do we prevent people from ruining good data, and I would like to hear feedback from people about this idea. We could moderate the data, so if someone uploads a photo we have to approve it, but that is really not in the wiki spirit of collaboration. Yet it is safer.


    iBird Explorer: Finally a field guide as light as a feather. See it at http://www.ibird.com
  •  05-23-2006, 4:50 PM 3876 in reply to 3860

    Re: Photos on the Species Pages

    This is a great idea! I absolutely agree with you!


    Joao Menezes
  •  05-25-2006, 9:40 AM 3895 in reply to 3860

    Re: Photos on the Species Pages

    I don't trust the information on Wikipedia, and also find it confusing and cluttered.  As long as you have an expert monitoring the info that is added to the species pages, I think the collaborative concept could work on your site.  However, I wouldn't want to see the species pages turned into forums.
    Julianne Bockius
  •  05-25-2006, 10:53 AM 3896 in reply to 3895

    Re: Photos on the Species Pages

    I hear ya. However a recent report claimed that the Encyclopedia Britanica was also riddled with errors, more than Wikipedia.

    My idea is that there will be super users who can make changes to pages, after I have convinced myself they can be trusted. Even there changes would go though a moderation committee (online of course) for review and once approved would be merged into the database. Not a true wiki model but much safer.


    iBird Explorer: Finally a field guide as light as a feather. See it at http://www.ibird.com
  •  05-25-2006, 1:25 PM 3901 in reply to 3896

    Re: Photos on the Species Pages

    As long as it is moderated, I think there will be no problems.
    Joao Menezes
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