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Saw this bird at El Dorado Nature Center in Long Beach, California few weeks ago. I can't figure out what it is. Please help!

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The shape indicates a warbler, but I'm having trouble ID'ing it. I don't see any yellow on the rump, which would rule out a Yellow-rumped. The face looks oiled or otherwise stained. That white upper wingbar and minimal buffy lower wingbar is just weird.

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Hello PSWEET, This bird was found where there were many Yellow-rumped warblers so initially I thought it was a warbler. But as you pointed out, there is no yellow anywhere on the bird... Merlin (online bird ID app) suggested a Bunting or Grosbeak (presumably the female) but the shape of the bill doesn't fit. Merlin's third suggestion was a Rusty blackbird but the overall shape (as well as the color) doesn't match. Hmmm.. Anyway, thank you for your comments. I will keep researching.

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It's definitely a warbler. If I absolutely had to guess I'd say it's an abnormally plumaged Yellow-rumped.

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It could be a YRWA that lacks yellow pigment. There's a name for that in some book I have somewhere, but this bird is definitely interesting looking. 

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Agree with a Yellow-rumped warbler...wings/wingbars, back look fine, but the face a little dirty/stained. We can not really see the rump in this pic, but there appears to be a slight touch of yellow in the side and some fall(mostly immature) birds show very little, even no yellow on sides.

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20 minutes ago, The Bird Nuts said:

Seriously?

I don't know.  Just throwing it out there. -_-

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I agree with birdbrain22's take on this bird. I too can see hints of yellow. Maybe it is fresh from a bath and still wet? That and the harsh lighting could account for this weird appearance.

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33 minutes ago, MerMaeve said:

I don't know.  Just throwing it out there. -_-

If you don't know and are going to make wild guesses... better not to reply.

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2 minutes ago, birdbrain22 said:

If you don't know and are going to make wild guesses... better not to reply.

I agree if they are "wild" guesses. But otherwise, when going from photos and for some tricky birds, I'm all for people making informed guesses when they are not sure. I have seen that work here. Not necessarily guessing right but guessing in the right direction which can sometimes prompt correct or at least more confident IDs. Moreover, it can be very educational to read these guesses and discussions.

Or to put it another way... we're out birding and see a bird we're not sure about. Somebody says 'hey, could that be a x' and things go from there. Sometimes people stay too quiet just because they think they could be wrong but EVERYBODY is wrong sometimes. EVERYBODY.

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6 minutes ago, douginBC said:

I agree if they are "wild" guesses. But otherwise, when going from photos and for some tricky birds, I'm all for people making informed guesses when they are not sure. I have seen that work here. Not necessarily guessing right but guessing in the right direction which can sometimes prompt correct or at least more confident IDs. Moreover, it can be very educational to read these guesses and discussions.

Or to put it another way... we're out birding and see a bird we're not sure about. Somebody says 'hey, could that be a x' and things go from there. Sometimes people stay too quiet just because they think they could be wrong but EVERYBODY is wrong sometimes. EVERYBODY.

I do agree with everything you said here Doug.  But Brambling here is a pretty wild guess for this bird... 

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3 hours ago, birdbrain22 said:

But Brambling here is a pretty wild guess for this bird... 

Indeed. Some might say very wild. On this forum maybe the standard should be that the wilder the guess the more supporting details and/or reasons you have to include. That would thin out the wildest ones.   

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On 12/5/2017 at 10:18 AM, asque2000 said:

It could be a YRWA that lacks yellow pigment. There's a name for that in some book I have somewhere, but this bird is definitely interesting looking. 

Melanism?

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Melanin refers to overproduction of melanin, resulting in a darker than normal bird. I'm not sure what the term for lacking yellow pigment would be -- xanthochroism is the term for more yellow/orange than normal. Since yellow in birds is a carotenoid pigment, this could be a dietary effect too.

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Showed this to a friend of mine who agreed with Yellow-rumped and saw a bunch of these when he was in SF last year, as "they get stained and messy from the nectar of the flowering Eucalyptus trees."

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