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Ross's Geese Questioning

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Taken in south-central Kansas. Thank you in advance for the help!

1. These were taken November 19, I originally had them as pure Ross's Geese  and didn't think much of it which was before I read that blue-morph Ross's Geese are apparently super rare a few days ago. They have been accepted into ebird as Ross's Goose but I am wondering if they aren't in fact Ross's x Snow Geese, though it's weird that there were two different ones in the same area. Or, are these in fact blue-morph Ross's Geese? Or is it just a wive's tale that blue morphs are rare and they are actually not all unusual? I can't seem to find a whole lot of info on them on google. I've noticed one of these has a longish beak and a more developed grin patch then typical Ross's I see though. I think the bird in the second, third and last photo are the same individual. It seems I only got one photo of the first individual but I am sure they are two separate geese. I'm just really curious about it all so any information and help is appreciated!
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2. And a bonus Sharpie vs Coop taken on Jan 8, though I am pretty sure this is a Sharpie but I just thought I'd make sure. It was in a good Sharp-shinned habitat, forested area flying over a meadow.
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The geese look better for Snow Geese to me, with the curved base to the bills and a fairly long bill. The hawk is indeed a Sharp-shinned.

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7 minutes ago, psweet said:

The geese look better for Snow Geese to me, with the curved base to the bills and a fairly long bill. The hawk is indeed a Sharp-shinned.

Quick response, thank you! You're probably right, the heads just looked so rounded to me that I just assumed Ross's, and I didn't think the bill was long/bulky enough. I realize it might be angle tricks though. I'm glad I had them double checked.

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13 minutes ago, Shadow-Syl said:

Quick response, thank you! You're probably right, the heads just looked so rounded to me that I just assumed Ross's, and I didn't think the bill was long/bulky enough. I realize it might be angle tricks though. I'm glad I had them double checked.

Snow Geese are said to be cute (which they are) and Ross's are quite the opposite.  :P

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54 minutes ago, MerMaeve said:

Snow Geese are said to be cute (which they are) and Ross's are quite the opposite.  :P

Or is it the other way around? I think Ross's are the cute ones--cute and innocent, but beauty is in the eye of the birder? ;)

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3 hours ago, MerMaeve said:

Snow Geese are said to be cute (which they are) and Ross's are quite the opposite.  :P

 

2 hours ago, HamRHead said:

Or is it the other way around? I think Ross's are the cute ones--cute and innocent, but beauty is in the eye of the birder? ;)

In my opinion I think both look equally cute and innocent and I just want to cuddle them both! Though I guess I feel that way about every bird. 

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For the (absolutely adorable :wub:) goose, the smaller grin definitely suggests that a Ross's Goose is involved, although I am not sure if this is some kind of hybrid. 

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4 hours ago, MerMaeve said:

Snow Geese are said to be cute (which they are) and Ross's are quite the opposite.  :P

I agree with HamRHead here, it's the opposite for me. Ross's have the smaller, daintier bills making them look cuter… to me at least.

Isn't the right cuter than the left? https://www.birdzilla.com/images/waterfowl/rosss-goose/ross-snow-goose.jpg

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12 minutes ago, redcoot said:

For the (absolutely adorable :wub:) goose, the smaller grin definitely suggests that a Ross's Goose is involved, although I am not sure if this is some kind of hybrid. 

I noticed the smaller grin too but guessed it was because of variability. I usually don't have a problem with Ross's vs Snow but these ones are not so clear to me for some reason haha.

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2 minutes ago, Shadow-Syl said:

I noticed the smaller grin too but guessed it was because of variability. I usually don't have a problem with Ross's vs Snow but these ones are not so clear to me for some reason haha.

Yeah, sometimes those grins can be confusing!

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I can see these as hybrids, although personally I feel those are over-reported.

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size wise this looks like a snow as well....the goose is size between the canada and cackling  (a Ross's should be same size to smaller than the cackling not larger) 

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The geese look like Cackling/Canada x Snow/Ross's hybrids to me. The oddly speckled appearance of the white, darker brown body, lack of the silvery tertials and slightly paler bill with an odd shape seems to be pretty typical of this hybird combo, and the size seems to fit Cackling x Snow, though it's tough to tell with the smaller subspecies of Canada.

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1 hour ago, darknight said:

The geese look like Cackling/Canada x Snow/Ross's hybrids to me.

That pretty much sums up the state of goose multiculturalism these days. Blame Canada, where most of these participants breed.

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On 1/12/2018 at 3:49 PM, darknight said:

The geese look like Cackling/Canada x Snow/Ross's hybrids to me. The oddly speckled appearance of the white, darker brown body, lack of the silvery tertials and slightly paler bill with an odd shape seems to be pretty typical of this hybird combo, and the size seems to fit Cackling x Snow, though it's tough to tell with the smaller subspecies of Canada.

I didn't even consider CANG/CACG X SNGO/ROGO, I can see what you mean though with your descriptions. Should just leave these things as goose sp on ebird LOL (they are just at Snow/Ross's now).
This might be a dumb question but since I am pretty sure there were at least two of these, is it possible they are from the same clutch and ended up traveling together? Or is that not a thing that happens?

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