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Black-bellied or American Golden Plover?

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These two birds were seen together in Jamaica. I reported them as Black-bellied (American Golden is rare). However, after reviewing the photos, I'm not sure. I see some gold on its back and cap. But according to the books, Black-bellied can show gold color. Also I'm on the fence w.r.t. bill size, and distinct dark cap (leaning more towards Black-bellied). What are your thoughts?

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Can see why you wonder with those golden flecks. But I think the bill is too big for a Golden, and that is one feature that does not vary.

That said,  best to wait for more people to weigh in on this one as it is a tough call.

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Thin bill and no visible hind toe -- these look like American Goldens to me. The wings look long enough that I think we can rule out stray Pacific, and European Golden have hind toes just like Black-bellied.

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One thing I know for sure is that I'm confused :) After seeing several Google images of Black-bellied plovers, I am beginning to agree with you on the thinner bill of my birds. On the hind toe, while I don't see it, I'm not 100% sure if I would be able to spot it if even these were actually black-bellied (By the way, in the 4th photo, does the bird on the right, have a tiny hind toe, or is it a portion of the front toe?)

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Do others have thoughts on this bird? I would like to be extra sure before I change the species on my checklist to one that is rare.

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Not to be a Debbie Downer, but "I don't know" or "can't adjudicate" (and reporting it as a taxa or sp) is a reasonable take just from these photos.  I'd only report a rare bird if I were certain, and from my experience you'd need to hear the call difference or look for the absence of black underwing axillaries to be certain in my limited experience with Goldens.  Do you have either/both pieces of said info?  The one I identified also had a BBPL right next to it, so you could size the sizing/proportion differences.

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I feel quite comfortable -- they look like Golden to me. I don't know the reviewers for Jamaica, but I would be very surprised if you posted these and they gave you any problems over them.

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